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Class Details by Steve Llanso of Sweat House Media

Class 16/B-1 (Locobase 8860)

Data from GN 1916 Locomotive Diagrams supplied in May 2005 by Allen Stanley from his extensive Raildata collection. (Thanks to Mike Wichelman for his 20 March 2016 email supplying out this locomotive's original railroad and number.) Sources vary on the actual Cooke locomotive, reporting that it was the Kirkhaven (or Kerkhoven) with works number 616 or 680. If it was the latter, then it had a sister, works 679, named H Trott. Or the pair may have been 685-686 or 709 in early 1871.

Probably the oldest locomotive on the GN when the 1916 book was compiled, the 240 served elsewhere first for at least a decade before coming into the GN fold. Gene Connelly traces the 240's lineage as the 16 for the StP&P to the Saint Paul, Minneapolis & Manitoba in May 1879 thence to the Great Northern in 1899 as their 10 and 16. The 10, which had been fitted with very small 49" drivers, was scrapped in 1902 while the 16 lasted long enough to be renumbered 240 before being scrapped in 1916.

Locobase suspects that the boiler information dates from a later time when the original vessel was replaced by a new one.


Class 7/B-23 (Locobase 16157)

Data from GN 1916 Locomotive Diagrams supplied in May 2005 by Allen Stanley from his extensive Raildata collection. See also DeGolyer, Volume 18, p. 264. Works number was 13803 in October 1893.

In the same month that Baldwin produced a Ten-wheeler for the N&FS (Locobase 8842), they turned out the mixed-traffic, wood-burning Eight-wheeler shown here. The proportions in the Great Northern diagram show an orthodox 4-4-0, but its long wheelbase and low factor of adhesion suggests a conversion from a Mogul design.

As the N&FS became the Spokane Falls & Northern in 1895 and that railroad was taken into the GN in 1907, the 7 gained a new road number--231-- and a unique class ID, B-23.

The 1916 diagram also presents a rare exception to the rule that when Baldwin usually erred on the low side in its adhesion weight estimates. The GN figure is 1,500 lb (680 kg) less than the Baldwin estimate. Even so, the railway raised the boiler pressure setting to 160 psi, increasing tractive effort, but further decreasing F/A.

Clearly, there were other factors at work that contributed to a full-length career for the 231, for it wasn't scrapped until June 1926.


Class B-11 (Locobase 8864)

Data from GN 1916 Locomotive Diagrams supplied in May 2005 by Allen Stanley from his extensive Raildata collection and Baldwin Locomotive Works Specification for Engines, as digitized by the DeGolyer Library of Southern Methodist University, Vol 16, p. 32. See Locobase 7460 for a short history of the SF & N. Works numbers were 10830 and 10833.

One of the many classes of 4-4-0s that would come into the Great Northern from many sources. This pair started out on the SF & N, although one seems also to have operated on Canada's Victoria & Sydney Railway. Their service on the GN lasted less than two decades as both were sold to Northwest Steel Rolling Mills Co in May and June 1926, respectively.


Class B-16 (Locobase 8865)

Data from GN 1916 Locomotive Diagrams supplied in May 2005 by Allen Stanley from his extensive Raildata collection.

This quartet of Ocean Staters fell into the typical range for 4-4-0s of the early 1880s. Their service in the GN lasted into the early 1920s.


Class B-17 (Locobase 7454)

Data from GN 1 - 1929 Locomotive Diagrams book supplied in May 2005 by Allen Stanley from his extensive Raildata collection.

A lone engine from this builder was left in 1929. Locobase believes it was built to the same specifications as the B-7 series (see Locobase 7453). Because it received a new boiler two years earlier that had tubes just slightly longer, it had a few square feet more heating surface, and consequently its own entry.


Class B-18 (Locobase 8866)

Data from GN 1916 Locomotive Diagrams supplied in May 2005 by Allen Stanley from his extensive Raildata collection.

Compared to the Rhode Island engines produced for the St P, M & M in the same year, these Brooks engines (works #715-716) had larger boilers but smaller grates and fireboxes. These two were followed within 4 months by a more numerous class that had bigger fireboxes; see Locobase 8867.


Class B-19 (Locobase 8867)

Data from GN 1916 Locomotive Diagrams supplied in May 2005 by Allen Stanley from his extensive Raildata collection. Works numbers ran:

791-795 in October 1882, 829-833 in December 1882, and 872-882 & 885-888

It''s interesting to see the difference in a pair of prototypes (or possibly catalogue engines) delivered in June (Locobase 8866) and this well-populated class of Eight-wheelers that followed 4 months later. They're heavier, they have bigger fireboxes, and the wheelbase has spread out.


Class B-20 (Locobase 7455)

Data from GN 1 - 1929 Locomotive Diagrams book supplied in May 2005 by Allen Stanley from his extensive Raildata collection.

When Rhode Island Locomotive Works contributed to the batch of Eight-wheelers being procured by the GN in the early 1880s, it supplied a design with 1" larger cylinders and slightly longer boiler tubes.

The class was reboilered in 1916-1917 and 1923 according to the diagram, which also notes that although the new boiler could handle 165 psi, the reciprocating parts were designed for 140 psi. Hence the working pressure remained 140 psi.


Class B-21 (Locobase 8868)

Data from GN 1916 Locomotive Diagrams supplied in May 2005 by Allen Stanley from his extensive Raildata collection. Works numbers were 3749-3758 in May 1887, 3759-3760, 3764-3774 in June.

The design for this clutch of Eight-wheelers had a few unusual features. The steam and sand domes stood forward of the firebox (and the bell mounted on the crown) and the drivers were widely spaced to accept the relatively large firebox.


Class B-22 (Locobase 7456)

Data from GN 1 - 1929 Locomotive Diagrams book supplied in May 2005 by Allen Stanley from his extensive Raildata collection.

The largest batch of Eight-wheelers to retain their original boilers in 1929 was this set of Rogers-built engines. The boilers shown in the diagram may well represent the original dimensions of most of the 1880s GN 4-4-0s, although the grate was a little larger and shallower. See Locobase 7457 for a slightly larger design from the same builder.


Class B-22 (Locobase 7457)

Data from GN 1 - 1929 Locomotive Diagrams book supplied in May 2005 by Allen Stanley from his extensive Raildata collection. Works numbers were 4063 in November 1888 and 4120-4123 in March 1889.

Locobase 8868 describes a relatively large class of Eight-wheelers delivered by Rogers in 1887 to the St Paul, Minneapolis & Manitoba . This quintet came two years later and had boilers with more tubes and a firebox with a larger grate. Like the earlier class, these never were fitted with new boilers.


Class B-3 (Locobase 8861)

Data from GN 1916 Locomotive Diagrams supplied in May 2005 by Allen Stanley from his extensive Raildata collection.

These engines were early servants of this Minnesota railroad, which later came under James J Hill's direction and was renamed the St Paul, Minneapolis & Manitoba and still later the Great Northern. This design preceded both the Rogers engines of 1876 (Locobase 8863) and the 1879 Baldwins (Locobase 8862). After 1906, however, all had the same power dimensions and boiler.


Class B-4 (Locobase 8862)

Data from GN 1916 Locomotive Diagrams supplied in May 2005 by Allen Stanley from his extensive Raildata collection. See also DeGolyer, Volume 9, p. 209. Works numbers were 4848-4849,

4852-4853 in November 1879.

When James J Hill took over the St Paul & Pacific in 1879, almost the first locomotives affected were the 4 that Baldwin was building in that same year. When ordered, these engines had 161 tubes measuring 10 ft 10 3/8" (3.31 metres) and 61"(1,549 mm); they trailed tenders with a 2,500 US gallon (9,463 litres) capacity.

Produced in pairs (, the four engines remained in service on the StPM&M and subsequently the Great Northern (the successor name to the StPM&M in 1889) for years.

251 was retired in 1901, but the other three received new boilers in 1906. The specs refer to the new boiler. This trio lasted until 1926.


Class B-5 (Locobase 8863)

Data from GN 1916 Locomotive Diagrams supplied in May 2005 by Allen Stanley from his extensive Raildata collection.

These engines predated the Baldwins (Locobase 8862), but came after the Pittsburghs (Locobase 8861). After 1906, however, all had the same power dimensions and boiler.


Class B-6 (Locobase 7452)

Data from GN 1 - 1929 Locomotive Diagrams book supplied in May 2005 by Allen Stanley from his extensive Raildata collection.

Locobase only has the diagrams to go by and there are two: one for 232 & 237, the other for 233-236. The latter had slightly shorter tubes (by 1 1/2") and a 2" narrower grate.


Class B-7-10, 12-15, 19 (Locobase 7453)

Data from GN 1 - 1929 Locomotive Diagrams book supplied in May 2005 by Allen Stanley from his extensive Raildata collection.

There many differences among the locomotives in these classes when they were first delivered. But the diagram shows that all of them received new boilers in 1908 and Locobase suspects they were all the same design. Adhesion and engine weights differed to a degree as did tender capacities and weights. But all had the same power dimensions (cylinder, driver diameter, boiler pressure).

Several builders contributed to the classes:

B-7 New York Locomotive (Rome, NY)- 1880 - 1 locomotives left in 1916, 1 by 1929.

B-8/9 Pittsburgh Locomotive Works - 1880 - 8 in 1929 (3 more scrapped)

B-10 Burnham, Williams (Baldwin) - 1880 - 6 in 1916

B-12 Rogers - 1882 - 1 in 1916.

B-13/14 Burnham, Williams (Baldwin) - 1882 - 2 in 1929

B-15 Schenectady - 1882 - 3 left in 1929 (2 of these had 64" drivers).

B-19 Brooks (Dunkirk, NY) - 7 left in 1929.


Class Hattie J (Locobase 12138)

Data from Baldwin Locomotive Works Specification for Engines as digitized by the DeGolyer Library of Southern Methodist University Vol 19, p. 196. Works number was 14203 in January 1895.

In all respects identical to the collection of Eight-wheelers described in Locobase 12105, the Hattie J's specs do not show the heating surface areas. As all of the other date matches the information in the earlier order, Locobase offers a solid estimate of that data in this entry.

Hattie J went off in July to the Kansas City, Fort Scott & Memphis, which was absorbed by the St Louis-San Francisco in 1901. The engine was then renumbered 104.


Class Wiliam Crooks (Locobase 5945)

Data from locomotive diagram reproduced on Ben Ringnalda's http://www.greatnorthernempire.net/GNEGNSteamRosterO1_4.htm (visited 8 Jan 2005) gives surfaces and other data that show just how small this pioneer was. A diagram found in the GN 1 - 1929 Locomotive Diagrams book supplied in May 2005 by Allen Stanley from his extensive Raildata collection shows some slightly different measurements (12.5 sq ft for the grate area, e.g.); almost al agree with the diagram on Ringnalda's site.

The very first locomotive to run in the state of Minnesota, the William Crooks pulled a ceremonial train between St Paul and St Anthony (later Minneapolis) on 28 June 1862.

As displayed in the Lake Superior Railroad Museum, the engine has three domes (the middle one carrying sand), cabbage stack, outside cylinders and inside valve gear. It is said to have been preserved at the express request of James J Hill.

Specifications by Steve Llanso of Sweat House Media
Class16/B-17/B-23B-11B-16B-17
Locobase ID8860 16157 8864 8865 7454
RailroadSt Paul & Pacific (GN)Nelson & Fort Sheppard (GN)Spokane Falls & Northern (GN)Great Northern (GN)Great Northern (GN)
CountryUSAUSAUSAUSAUSA
Whyte4-4-04-4-04-4-04-4-04-4-0
Number in Class11241
Road Numbers16/2402315-6/141-142135-138147
GaugeStdStdStdStdStd
Number Built11241
BuilderDanforth, CookeBurnham, Williams & CoBurnham, Williams & CoRhode IslandGrant
Year18701893189018821882
Valve GearStephensonStephensonStephensonStephensonStephenson
Locomotive Length and Weight
Driver Wheelbase 7.58' 8.67' 8.50' 8.50'8'
Engine Wheelbase21.33'23.17'22.75'22.75'21.87'
Ratio of driving wheelbase to overall engine wheebase 0.36 0.37 0.37 0.37 0.37
Overall Wheelbase (engine & tender)43.42'46.33'45'45.75'43.83'
Axle Loading (Maximum Weight per Axle)20925 lbs28050 lbs26000 lbs22825 lbs21825 lbs
Weight on Drivers41850 lbs56100 lbs52000 lbs55650 lbs43650 lbs
Engine Weight66000 lbs90000 lbs85000 lbs86500 lbs70000 lbs
Tender Light Weight70000 lbs74500 lbs71500 lbs62000 lbs64000 lbs
Total Engine and Tender Weight136000 lbs164500 lbs156500 lbs148500 lbs134000 lbs
Tender Water Capacity3000 gals3000 gals2700 gals2600 gals2550 gals
Tender Fuel Capacity (oil/coal)8 tons9 tons9 tons8 tons6 tons
Minimum weight of rail (calculated)35 lb/yard47 lb/yard43 lb/yard46 lb/yard36 lb/yard
Geometry Relating to Tractive Effort
Driver Diameter63"63"63"63"63"
Boiler Pressure140 psi150 psi145 psi140 psi140 psi
Cylinders (dia x stroke)16" x 24"18" x 24"17" x 24"17" x 24"17" x 24"
Tractive Effort11605 lbs15737 lbs13569 lbs13101 lbs13101 lbs
Factor of Adhesion (Weight on Drivers/Tractive Effort) 3.61 3.56 3.83 4.25 3.33
Heating Ability
Firebox Area87 sq. ft124 sq. ft112.70 sq. ft107.80 sq. ft124.60 sq. ft
Grate Area13.69 sq. ft18.22 sq. ft16.71 sq. ft17.80 sq. ft16.20 sq. ft
Evaporative Heating Surface947 sq. ft1530 sq. ft1276 sq. ft1032 sq. ft1404 sq. ft
Superheating Surface
Combined Heating Surface947 sq. ft1530 sq. ft1276 sq. ft1032 sq. ft1404 sq. ft
Evaporative Heating Surface/Cylinder Volume169.56216.45202.38163.68222.68
Computations Relating to Power Output (More Information)
Robert LeMassena's Power Computation19172733242324922268
Same as above plus superheater percentage19172733242324922268
Same as above but substitute firebox area for grate area1218018600163421509217444
Power L136374791444236634726
Power MT383.19376.55376.65290.23477.39

Specifications by Steve Llanso of Sweat House Media
ClassB-18B-19B-20B-21B-22
Locobase ID8866 8867 7455 8868 7456
RailroadSt Paul Minneapolis & Manitoba (GN)St Paul Minneapolis & Manitoba (GN)Great Northern (GN)St Paul Minneapolis & Manitoba (GN)Great Northern (GN)
CountryUSAUSAUSAUSAUSA
Whyte4-4-04-4-04-4-04-4-04-4-0
Number in Class22541919
Road Numbers150-151162-186197, 199, 204,206207-225207-225
GaugeStdStdStdStdStd
Number Built22541919
BuilderBrooksBrooksRhode IslandRogersRogers
Year18821882188318871887
Valve GearStephensonStephensonStephensonStephensonStephenson
Locomotive Length and Weight
Driver Wheelbase8' 8.50' 8.50'9'9'
Engine Wheelbase22.58'23.33'23.25'23.25'23.25'
Ratio of driving wheelbase to overall engine wheebase 0.35 0.36 0.37 0.39 0.39
Overall Wheelbase (engine & tender)42.83'45'46.35'46.83'46.83'
Axle Loading (Maximum Weight per Axle)23250 lbs26250 lbs29500 lbs30150 lbs30150 lbs
Weight on Drivers46500 lbs52500 lbs59000 lbs60300 lbs60300 lbs
Engine Weight71400 lbs83200 lbs90900 lbs94100 lbs94100 lbs
Tender Light Weight62800 lbs58300 lbs78000 lbs68000 lbs68000 lbs
Total Engine and Tender Weight134200 lbs141500 lbs168900 lbs162100 lbs162100 lbs
Tender Water Capacity2850 gals3000 gals3000 gals3000 gals3000 gals
Tender Fuel Capacity (oil/coal)9 tons9 tons8 tons5 tons5 tons
Minimum weight of rail (calculated)39 lb/yard44 lb/yard49 lb/yard50 lb/yard50 lb/yard
Geometry Relating to Tractive Effort
Driver Diameter63"63"63"63"63"
Boiler Pressure140 psi140 psi140 psi150 psi140 psi
Cylinders (dia x stroke)17" x 24"17" x 24"18" x 24"18" x 24"18" x 24"
Tractive Effort13101 lbs13101 lbs14688 lbs15737 lbs14688 lbs
Factor of Adhesion (Weight on Drivers/Tractive Effort) 3.55 4.01 4.02 3.83 4.11
Heating Ability
Firebox Area97.90 sq. ft107 sq. ft124.60 sq. ft126.40 sq. ft126.40 sq. ft
Grate Area15.10 sq. ft16.80 sq. ft16.20 sq. ft18.71 sq. ft18.71 sq. ft
Evaporative Heating Surface1094 sq. ft1151 sq. ft1452 sq. ft1278 sq. ft1187 sq. ft
Superheating Surface
Combined Heating Surface1094 sq. ft1151 sq. ft1452 sq. ft1278 sq. ft1187 sq. ft
Evaporative Heating Surface/Cylinder Volume173.51182.55205.42180.80167.93
Computations Relating to Power Output (More Information)
Robert LeMassena's Power Computation21142352226828072619
Same as above plus superheater percentage21142352226828072619
Same as above but substitute firebox area for grate area1370614980174441896017696
Power L136923931431542563783
Power MT350.08330.15322.47311.21276.62

Specifications by Steve Llanso of Sweat House Media
ClassB-22B-3B-4B-5B-6
Locobase ID7457 8861 8862 8863 7452
RailroadEastern Railway Co of Minnesota (GN)St Paul & Pacific (GN)St Paul, Minneapolis & Manitoba (GN)St Paul & Pacific (GN)Great Northern (GN)
CountryUSAUSAUSAUSAUSA
Whyte4-4-04-4-04-4-04-4-04-4-0
Number in Class59427
Road Numbers226-230241-24947-50/249-252265-266232-237
GaugeStdStdStdStdStd
Number Built59427
BuilderRogersPittsburghBurnham, Parry, Williams & CoRogersRogers
Year18891872187918761890
Valve GearStephensonStephensonStephensonStephensonStephenson
Locomotive Length and Weight
Driver Wheelbase9'8' 8.08' 7.75' 8.50'
Engine Wheelbase23.12'21.87'20.92'21.17'25.04'
Ratio of driving wheelbase to overall engine wheebase 0.39 0.37 0.39 0.37 0.34
Overall Wheelbase (engine & tender)46.02'43.04'42.17'42.98'45.79'
Axle Loading (Maximum Weight per Axle)30150 lbs21800 lbs22275 lbs20800 lbs28000 lbs
Weight on Drivers60300 lbs43700 lbs44550 lbs41600 lbs56000 lbs
Engine Weight94100 lbs66100 lbs70000 lbs66170 lbs89000 lbs
Tender Light Weight68000 lbs63000 lbs70700 lbs70800 lbs75000 lbs
Total Engine and Tender Weight162100 lbs129100 lbs140700 lbs136970 lbs164000 lbs
Tender Water Capacity3000 gals2800 gals2800 gals2500 gals3000 gals
Tender Fuel Capacity (oil/coal)5 tons7 tons8.5 tons6 tons8 tons
Minimum weight of rail (calculated)50 lb/yard36 lb/yard37 lb/yard35 lb/yard47 lb/yard
Geometry Relating to Tractive Effort
Driver Diameter63"63"63"63"63"
Boiler Pressure140 psi140 psi140 psi140 psi140 psi
Cylinders (dia x stroke)18" x 24"16" x 24"16" x 24"16" x 24"17" x 24"
Tractive Effort14688 lbs11605 lbs11605 lbs11605 lbs13101 lbs
Factor of Adhesion (Weight on Drivers/Tractive Effort) 4.11 3.77 3.84 3.58 4.27
Heating Ability
Firebox Area126.40 sq. ft102.90 sq. ft102.90 sq. ft102.90 sq. ft128 sq. ft
Grate Area19.04 sq. ft14.95 sq. ft14.95 sq. ft14.95 sq. ft16.40 sq. ft
Evaporative Heating Surface1303 sq. ft1061 sq. ft1061 sq. ft1061 sq. ft1270 sq. ft
Superheating Surface
Combined Heating Surface1303 sq. ft1061 sq. ft1061 sq. ft1061 sq. ft1270 sq. ft
Evaporative Heating Surface/Cylinder Volume184.34189.97189.97189.97201.43
Computations Relating to Power Output (More Information)
Robert LeMassena's Power Computation26662093209320932296
Same as above plus superheater percentage26662093209320932296
Same as above but substitute firebox area for grate area1769614406144061440617920
Power L140244147414741474453
Power MT294.24418.42410.44439.55350.61

Specifications by Steve Llanso of Sweat House Media
ClassB-7-10, 12-15, 19Hattie JWiliam Crooks
Locobase ID7453 12138 5945
RailroadGreat Northern (GN)Greenfield & NorthernGreat Northern (GN)
CountryUSAUSAUSA
Whyte4-4-04-4-04-4-0
Number in Class6111
Road Numbers125-26, 130-3241
GaugeStdStdStd
Number Built11
BuilderseveralBurnham, Williams & CoSmith & Jackson
Year190818941861
Valve GearStephensonStephensonStephenson
Locomotive Length and Weight
Driver Wheelbase 8.33' 8.25'7'
Engine Wheelbase24.46'22.17'19.92'
Ratio of driving wheelbase to overall engine wheebase 0.34 0.37 0.35
Overall Wheelbase (engine & tender)44.25'40.60'
Axle Loading (Maximum Weight per Axle)24600 lbs17975 lbs
Weight on Drivers49200 lbs58000 lbs35950 lbs
Engine Weight74800 lbs84000 lbs55400 lbs
Tender Light Weight66600 lbs46800 lbs
Total Engine and Tender Weight141400 lbs102200 lbs
Tender Water Capacity2600 gals3000 gals2500 gals
Tender Fuel Capacity (oil/coal)8 tons tons5 tons
Minimum weight of rail (calculated)41 lb/yard48 lb/yard30 lb/yard
Geometry Relating to Tractive Effort
Driver Diameter63"60"63"
Boiler Pressure140 psi150 psi110 psi
Cylinders (dia x stroke)17" x 24"17" x 24"12" x 22"
Tractive Effort13101 lbs14739 lbs4702 lbs
Factor of Adhesion (Weight on Drivers/Tractive Effort) 3.76 3.94 7.65
Heating Ability
Firebox Area124.60 sq. ft116.30 sq. ft65.40 sq. ft
Grate Area16.20 sq. ft16.57 sq. ft12.50 sq. ft
Evaporative Heating Surface1396 sq. ft1183 sq. ft489 sq. ft
Superheating Surface
Combined Heating Surface1396 sq. ft1183 sq. ft489 sq. ft
Evaporative Heating Surface/Cylinder Volume221.41187.63169.80
Computations Relating to Power Output (More Information)
Robert LeMassena's Power Computation226824861375
Same as above plus superheater percentage226824861375
Same as above but substitute firebox area for grate area17444174457194
Power L1470741983273
Power MT421.84319.14401.43

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