
With the surge in passenger business in the 1920's most railroads were being forced to operate extra trains or run their scheduled trains in sections simply because the locomotives in use could only haul about 12 cars. It was out of this need that the "super powered" locomotives were developed and of them the 4-8-4 was the most numerous and widely used.
The first 4-8-4 was built by the American Locomotive Company, in January, 1927, for the Northern Pacific. This locomotive was basically the 4-8-2 modified to accommodate a large grate area and a very deep firebox which was required to burn the very low grade of bituminous coal that the Northern Pacific produced from its own mines. This new wheel arrangement was dubbed "Northern Pacific", which was quickly shortened to "Northern".
There were 36 North American Railroads that owned and operated a total of 1,126 "Northern" type locomotives.
Some railroads, particularly the southern ones, rejected the "Northern" name and used names with a more regional connection. The C&O called them "Greenbriers"; the Delaware, Lackawanna & Western used the name "Poconos"; the Lehigh Valley came up with "Wyoming"; the Nashville, Chattanooga & St.Louis named them "Dixies"; the New York Central chose "Niagaras"; the Richmond, Fredericksburg & Potomac named each of its 27, 4-8-4s after southern generals, governors and statesmen; the Southern Pacific used the name "Golden State"; the Western Maryland dubbed them "Potomacs" and in Canada, the CNR named them "Confederations" while the Nacionale de Mexico called them "Niagras".
This locomotive carried road number 1111 and the Timken name and became known as "four aces" on the many railroads that tested it. In the two years it traveled the country it ran up an impressive record in both passenger and freight operation.
Designed for fast freight and passenger service, this locomotive was tested in drag freight operation and consistently did well without helpers. On one occasion it started a 132 car freight train of 9,864 tons.
Timken had "four aces" built so that the boiler pressure could be varied between 235 and 250 psi and its weight could be shifted between the drivers and trucks thus allowing the demonstrator to have a tractive effort of 59,900 lbs at 235 psi and 63,700 lbs at 250 psi. The locomotive weighed 417,500 lbs, had 73" drivers and 27 x 30 cylinders.
While being tested on the Northern Pacific, number 1111 suffered crown sheet damage. Timken was essentially finished with it and did not want a damaged locomotive and NP did not want to repair a locomotive it did not own. In order to resolve this stand-off, NP bought the locomotive, repaired it, numbered it 2626 and used it until 1955.
Information for this introduction to Northerns provided by Richard Duley.
| Railroad Line | Quantity, Builder | Name |
|---|---|---|
| Atchison, Topeka & Santa Fe | 65 Baldwin | Northerns |
| Atlantic Coast Line | 12 Baldwin | 1800s |
| Canadian National | 130 MLW 30 Canadian Locomotive Works | Confederations |
| Canadan Pacific | 2 CPR | Northerns |
| Central of Georgia | 8 Lima | Big Apples |
| Chesapeake & Ohio | 12 Lima | Greenbriers |
| Chicago, Burlington & Quincy | 8 Baldwin 28 CB&Q | Northerns |
| Chicago, Milwaukee, St. Paul & Pacific | 10 ALCO 41 Baldwin 1 CMStP&P | Northerns |
| Chicago & North Western | 35 Baldwin | Northerns |
| Chicago, Rock Island & Pacific | 85 ALCO | Northerns |
| Delaware & Hudson | 15 ALCO | Northerns |
| Delaware, Lackawanna & Western | 55 ALCO | Poconos |
| Denver & Rio Grande Western | 19 Baldwin | Westerns |
| Grand Trunk Western | 37 ALCO 6 Lima | Confederations |
| Great Northern | 20 Baldwin | Northerns |
| Lehigh Valley | 21 ALCO 16 Baldwin | Wyomings |
| Minneapolis, St. Paul & Sault Sainte Marie | 4 Lima | Northerns |
| Missouri Pacific | 15 Baldwin 25 MP | Northerns |
| Nacionales de Mexico | 16 ALCO 16 Baldwin | Niágaras |
| Nashville, Chattanooga & St. Louis | 25 ALCO | Dixies |
| New York Central | 28 ALCO | Niagaras |
| Norfolk & Western | 14 N&W | Js |
| Northern Pacific | 13 ALCO 36 Baldwin | Northerns |
| Ontario Northland | 5 Canadian Locomotive Works | Northerns |
| Reading | 30 Reading | Northerns |
| Richmond, Fredericksburg & Potomac | 27 Baldwin | Generals, Governors & Statesmen |
| St. Louis San Francisco | 25 Baldwin | Northerns |
| St. Louis Southwestern | 10 Baldwin 10 SLSW | Northerns |
| Southern Pacific | 10 Baldwin 60 Lima | Golden States |
| Spokane, Portland & Seattle | 3 Baldwin | Northerns |
| Texas & Louisiana Lines | 4 Baldwin | Golden States |
| Toledo, Peoria & Western | 6 ALCO | Northerns |
| Union Pacific | 45 ALCO | Four-Eight-Fours |
| Wabash | 25 Baldwin | Northerns |
| Western Maryland | 12 Baldwin | Potomacs |
| Western Pacific | 6 Lima | Northerns |
| No. | Class | F.M. Whyte | Gauge | Railroad Line | Location | Status | Builder Information | Notes |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 819 | L-1 | 4-8-4 | 4'-8½" | SSW | Arkansas Railroad Museum, Pine Bluff, AR | restoration | SSW, 1942 | ![]() |
| 3759 | 3751 | 4-8-4 | 4'-8½" | AT&SF | Locomotive Park, 315 W Beale St (US 93), Kingman, AZ | display | Baldwin #60385, 1928 | ![]() |
| 2921 | 2900 | 4-8-4 | 4'-8½" | AT&SF | Beard Brook Park, B St., Modesto, CA | display | Baldwin #69809, 1944 | |
| 2925 | 2900 | 4-8-4 | 4'-8½" | AT&SF | CSRM boiler and erecting shops, Sacramento, CA | stored | Baldwin #69813, 1944 | Moved to a location about one mile south of the museum next to the river. |
| 3751 | 3751 | 4-8-4 | 4'-8½" | AT&SF | Amtrak/Redondo Junction Shops, Vernon, CA | operational | Baldwin #60004, 1927 | SBRHS securely stored with baggage car |
| 5629 | O-5B | 4-8-4 | 4'-8½" | CB&Q | Colorado Railroad Museum, Golden, CO | display | Burlington, 1940 | |
| 2912 | 2900 | 4-8-4 | 4'-8½" | AT&SF | Pueblo Union Depot, Pueblo, CO | restoration | Baldwin #69800, 1944 | ![]() |
| 814 | FEF-1 | 4-8-4 | 4'-8½" | UP | Rock Island Depot Museum, Main & 16th, Council Bluffs, IA | display | ALCO #68822, 1937 | ![]() |
| 2913 | 2900 | 4-8-4 | 4'-8½" | AT&SF | Riverview Park, Ft. Madison, IA | cosmetic restoration | Baldwin #69801, 1943 | contact info |
| 2903 | 2900 | 4-8-4 | 4'-8½" | AT&SF | Illinois Railway Museum, Union, IL | display | Baldwin, 1944 | |
| 265 | S-3 | 4-8-4 | 4'-8½" | CMStP&P | Illinois Railway Museum, Union, IL | display | ALCO, 1944 | |
| 6323 | U-3-b | 4-8-4 | 4'-8½" | GTW | Illinois Railway Museum, Union, IL | display | ALCO (Schenectady) #69629, 1942 | ![]() |
| 3768 | 3765 | 4-8-4 | 4'-8½" | AT&SF | Great Plains Transportation Museum, Wichita, KS | display | Baldwin #62122, 1938 | |
| 1 (2101) | T-1 | 4-8-4 | 4'-8½" | Reading | B&O Railroad Museum, Baltimore, MD | display | Baldwin, 1923 | |
| 261 | S-3 | 4-8-4 | 4'-8½" | CMStP&P | GN Shops/Minneapolis Junction, Minneapolis, MN | operational | ALCO #3079, 1944 | ![]() |
| 4516 | 4500 | 4-8-4 | 4'-8½" | SLSF | Missouri State Fairgrounds, Sedalia, MO | display | Baldwin #69732, 1943 | |
| 4524 | 4500 | 4-8-4 | 4'-8½" | SLSF | Grant Beach Park, Springfield, MO | display | Baldwin #69740, 1943 | |
| 5614 | O-5A | 4-8-4 | 4'-8½" | CB&Q | Patee Park, St. Joseph, MO | display | CB&Q (Aurora), 1937 | |
| 4460 | GS-6 | 4-8-4 | 4'-8½" | SP | Museum of Transportation, St. Louis, MO | display | Lima #8013, 1941 | |
| 801 | 4-8-4 | 15" | ATT&NW | Arborway T.T. & Northwestern Railroad, Steelville, MO | operational private | Merrick Locomotive Works, 2006 | ||
| 2584 | S-2 | 4-8-4 | 4'-8½" | GN | Havre depot, Havre, MT | display | Baldwin #61238, 1930 | ![]() |
| S-2 | 4-8-4 | 4'-8½" | CMStP&P | Ingomar, MT | display | Tender only | ||
| 2926 | 2900 | 4-8-4 | 4'-8½" | AT&SF | GSA/BIA siding, between 8th and 12th 3 bl south of I40, Albuquerque, NM | restoration | Baldwin #69814, 1944 | Wheels Museum NMSLRHS from Coronado Park, will be moved to a private siding for restoration |
| 6325 | U-3-b | 4-8-4 | 4'-8½" | GTW | Age of Steam Roundhouse, Sugarcreek, OH | stored serviceable | ALCO #69631, 1942 | 2001 photo pulled first revenue excursion 09/2001 |
| 4500 | 4500 | 4-8-4 | 4'-8½" | SLSF | Route 66 Station, Tulsa, OK | display | Baldwin #64449, 1942 | ![]() |
| 4449 | GS-4 | 4-8-4 | 4'-8½" | SP | SP Brooklyn roundhouse, Portland, OR | operational | Lima #7817, 1941 | |
| 700 | E1 | 4-8-4 | 4'-8½" | SP&S | SP Brooklyn roundhouse, Portland, OR | operational | Baldwin #62171, 1938 | ![]() |
| 2575 | S-2 | 4-8-4 | 4'-8½" | GN | SP Brooklyn roundhouse, Portland, OR | Baldwin, 1930 | tender only | |
| 3028 | QR-1 | 4-8-4 | 4'-8½" | NdeM | New Hope & Ivyland Railroad, New Hope, PA | restoration | ALCO #74383, 1946 | Volunteer operational by 2006? |
| 2102 | T-1 | 4-8-4 | 4'-8½" | Reading | RBM&N headquarters, Port Clinton, PA | stored | Baldwin, 1923 | |
| 614 | J3a | 4-8-4 | 4'-8½" | C&O | RBM&N headquarters, Port Clinton, PA | stored operational | Lima #9306, 06/1948 | Iron Horse Enterprises was to be auctioned in July, 2000 |
| 2124 | T-1 | 4-8-4 | 4'-8½" | Reading | Steamtown National Historic Site, Scranton, PA | display | Reading, 1946 | ![]() |
| 576 | J3-57 | 4-8-4 | 4'-8½" | NC&StL | Centennial Park, Nashville, TN | display | ALCO #69786, 1942 | NCPS may be moved to Tennessee Central Railroad Museum, Nashville for restoration |
| 4501 | 4500 | 4-8-4 | 4'-8½" | SLSF | Museum of the American Railroad, Dallas, TX | display | Baldwin #64450, 1942 | ![]() |
| 833 | FEF-2 | 4-8-4 | 4'-8½" | UP | Utah State Railroad Museum, Ogden, UT | display | ||
| 611 | J | 4-8-4 | 4'-8½" | N&W | Virginia Museum of Transportation, Roanoke, VA | display | N&W #388, 1950 | ![]() |
| 2100 | T-1 | 4-8-4 | 4'-8½" | Reading | Pasco, WA | stored serviceable | Baldwin, 1923 | from Elgin Co. RY Museum, St. Thomas, ON |
| 844 | FEF-3 | 4-8-4 | 4'-8½" | UP | UP engine house, Cheyenne, WY | operational | ALCO (Schenectady) #72791, 1944 | |
| 838 | FEF-3 | 4-8-4 | 4'-8½" | UP | UP engine house, Cheyenne, WY | stored | ALCO (Schenectady) #72785, 1944 | ![]() |
| 5633 | O-5A | 4-8-4 | 4'-8½" | CB&Q | Douglas Railroad Interprative Center, C&NW Depot, Douglas, WY | display | CB&Q (Aurora), 1940 | ![]() |
| 5631 | O-5A | 4-8-4 | 4'-8½" | CB&Q | Rotary Park, Sheridan, WY | display | CB&Q (Aurora), 1940 | |
| 3035 | QR-1 | 4-8-4 | 4'-8½" | NdeM | Rodolfo Landeros Park, Aguascalientes, AGS | display | Baldwin #73020, 1946 | displayed with heavyweight passenger car and steam crane |
| 3038 | QR-1 | 4-8-4 | 4'-8½" | NdeM | Museo Technologico, Chapultepec Park, Mexico City, DF | display | Baldwin #73023, 1946 | ![]() |
| 3036 | QR-1 | 4-8-4 | 4'-8½" | NdeM | Explora Science Park, Leon, GTO | display | Baldwin #73021, 1946 | ![]() |
| 2308 (3033) | QR-1 | 4-8-4 | 4'-8½" | NdeM | depot, Pachuca, HGO | display | Baldwin #73018, 1946 | incorrectly renumbered as 2308 |
| 3027 | QR-1 | 4-8-4 | 4'-8½" | NdeM | Museo del Ferrocarril, Guadalajara, JAL | display | ALCO #74382, 1946 | ![]() |
| 3031 | QR-1 | 4-8-4 | 4'-8½" | NdeM | Club Amigos del Ferrocarril, Huehuetoca, MEX | stored | ALCO #74386, 1946 | From Trinity company plant |
| 3039 | QR-1 | 4-8-4 | 4'-8½" | NdeM | Parque de los Ninos Heroes, Monterrey, NLE | display | Baldwin #73024, 1946 | ![]() |
| 3040 | QR-1 | 4-8-4 | 4'-8½" | NdeM | Oriental Depot 2, Oriental, PUE | display | Baldwin #73025, 1946 | from Jalapa, VER |
| 3034 | QR-1 | 4-8-4 | 4'-8½" | NdeM | National Museum of Mexican Railroads, Puebla, PUE | operational | Baldwin #73019, 1946 | ![]() |
| 3056 | QR-1 | 4-8-4 | 4'-8½" | NdeM | Estacion Bernal, Tequisquiapan, QRO | stored | ALCO #74832, 1946 | from FNM scrapyard, Huehuetoca |
| 3030 | QR-1 | 4-8-4 | 4'-8½" | NdeM | Zacatecas Depot, Zacatecas, ZAC | display | ALCO #74385, 1946 | 360 degree view |
| 6218 | U-2-g | 4-8-4 | 4'-8½" | CNR | Fort Erie Railroad Museum, Fort Erie, ON | display | MLW #69716, 1942 | ![]() |
| 6167 | U-2-e | 4-8-4 | 4'-8½" | CNR | next to greyhound bus terminal, corner of Macdonall St. and Carden St., Guelph, ON | display | MLW #69262, 1940 | |
| 6400 | U-4-a | 4-8-4 | 4'-8½" | CNR | Canada Science and Technology Museum, Ottawa, ON | display | MLW #68715, 1936 | ![]() |
| 6200 | U-2-g | 4-8-4 | 4'-8½" | CNR | Canada Science and Technology Museum, Ottawa, ON | stored | MLW #69698, 1942 | ![]() |
| 3100 | K1a | 4-8-4 | 4'-8½" | CPR | Canada Science and Technology Museum, Ottawa, ON | display | CPR (Angus) #2070, 1928 | ![]() |
| 6213 | U-2-g | 4-8-4 | 4'-8½" | CNR | Roundhouse Park, Toronto, ON | display | MLW #69711, 1942 | TRHA Once displayed at Exhibition Place. Restoration to operational condition being explored |
| 6153 | U-2-c | 4-8-4 | 4'-8½" | CNR | Canadian Railway Museum, Delson, QC | display | MLW #67782, 1929 | |
| 3101 | K1a | 4-8-4 | 4'-8½" | CPR | Evraz Regina Steel, Regina, SK | display | CPR (Angus) #2071, 1928 | ![]() |
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